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west bengal, india (Map), Sat, 09 Feb 2019 10:01:11 +0100

@Josh Sabboth shared this talk about #systemd at linux.conf.au this january:

The Tragedy of systemd
vonlinux.conf.au 2019 — Christchurch, New ZealandamYouTube

...and i really like it. lasts more than 45 min, but it's time well spent for people like me who know there has been or is some type of religious war going on re. systemd, but haven't really followed the arguments in detail.

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Josh Sabboth

Sat, 09 Feb 2019 14:12:35 +0100 via Diaspora

Indeed

Max Kostikov

Sat, 09 Feb 2019 14:17:51 +0100

In brief: obey and use systemd.

Anna Klein Hz

Sat, 09 Feb 2019 15:06:03 +0100

I had been wondering about systemd. I don't have time to watch the video right away, but I marked the post and will watch it later.

phani (Hubzilla)

Sat, 09 Feb 2019 15:44:12 +0100

In brief: obey and use systemd.

you could say the same about SysVinit, upstart, or any other init system you can think of.

you have to use some init system after all. and apart from religious convictions, systemd has been working fine for me.

Max Kostikov

Sat, 09 Feb 2019 15:55:08 +0100

@phani (Hubzilla)
Wrong. Nobody says the same about any other init systems.
Benno RIce schrieb:

We can either go with that change or try to resist it; one path is likely to be more rewarding than the other

But frankly say I don't care because I'm sailing on other ship.

phani (Hubzilla)

Sat, 09 Feb 2019 16:03:32 +0100

as an end user with most distros you have to obey whatever the distro chooses; except gentoo, which actually gives you a choice.

openSUSE, archlinux, fedora / centOS, *buntu, they all decided for systemd in the end. if you want to use one of them you'll have to obey. now perhaps they are all idiots or have been bribed by mr. poettering, but...

Josh Sabboth

Sat, 09 Feb 2019 16:37:24 +0100 via Diaspora

@phani (Hubzilla) you can choose your own init on arch as well...Lots of various inits and service managers available to use: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/init

Alan Cox

Sat, 09 Feb 2019 18:00:49 +0100 via Diaspora

I wrote a nice simple sysvinit for Fuzix. It runs in under 32K of RAM include data. What's everyone elses excuse 8)

Holger Jakobs

Sat, 09 Feb 2019 20:20:58 +0100

phani (Hubzilla)

Sat, 09 Feb 2019 21:12:49 +0100

@Josh Sabboth when i left arch for openSUSE it looked as if they were going the systemd way, with only a few diehards trying to stick to SysVinit. glad to hear they do offer options still.

as for me, i really don't care as long as my system works without much trouble. i'm using ubuntu on servers even though i dislike that because of their 'benevolent dictator' and business decisions they took. isn't a religion for me, just something that does a job.

Josh Sabboth

Sun, 10 Feb 2019 11:57:36 +0100 via Diaspora

@phani (Hubzilla) well, systemd is the default but Arch offers alternatives if you choose to use another.

phani (Hubzilla)

Sun, 10 Feb 2019 15:06:51 +0100

sounds similar to KDE3 fans: dying out slowly, but dying nonetheless.